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18 April 2009 @ 11:10 pm

Hey guys!  Wanna talk to you guys briefly about a possible collaborative project I have in mind.

About the Project

Okay, so if you have read the comments on the post 'Drawing Arnold's Head: Basic Proportions' (http://tendraheyarnold.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/drawing-arnolds-head-basic-proportions-front-view/) on tendraheyarnold.wordpress.com, you'll noticed that some of us have been talking about the possibility of making a fanmade 6th season episode in comic-form. 

One of the advantages of making a HA! 6th season episode comic, as opposed to something else such as TJM comic, is that we'd still get more HA!, but without potentially spoiling 'The Jungle Movie'.  A fan-made TJM is nice and all, but I agree with others when they say it just wouldn't be the same as 'the real thing'.  Plus, it would also be a nice way to bring the HA! fan-community closer together.  We're all nice people.  :)  Oh, and we would be able to show Nickelodeon that the HA! fan-community is still alive and kicking.  Very alive and kicking.

Contributing to the Project

Depending on the level of interest (i.e. number of people who are willing to contribute to this project), this can be a very small project (e.g. 10 or less pages worth of HA! fancomics) or a rather large and ongoing project.  If the project is small, with only one mini-episode to show, it will most likely be released Oct 7, 2009 (for symbolic reasons, aka Hey Arnold's anniversary), with only a few meager pages.  However, if contribution is large, we can potentially make a couple of fan-made episodes in comic form, which I probably plan to release on Oct 7, 2010.   I know HA! has been cancelled for quite some time now, so an extra year of waiting for the fancomic's release shouldn't hurt too much.  Besides, this gives us plenty of time to work on the project so that we have a nice comic buffer to ensure continuous and smooth updates.  Plus, some of us have lives that keep us busy.  So no massive stress there if we take it slow.

Anyways, the purpose of this post is to ask if any of you guys would be interested in contributing to this project.  Even if you don't think you have anything to contribute, I'm pretty sure you can be extremely helpful, as there are lots of roles you can play.  You can help as a:
- Artist (i.e. line-art for the comic and/or colouring the comic)
- Writer (giving ideas for potential episodes and writing the scripts)
- Editor (correcting any mechanical errors / plotholes)
- Advertisor (spread the word of the project in preparation of its release in the form of writing, art, or even fan-videos, ect.  Can be a very small or very large commitment.)
- Site manager (help create a website for this project)

The last two roles are only needed if the project is big (i.e. more than one episode of comics.)  The really important roles are the artists, writers, and editors.

Again, many of you are -very- creative, and I think this would be a great opportunity to flex and improve your skills as a writer/artist, ect., and help bring the HA! fan-community closer together.  The only general requirement is that you should be capable of working with other people.

The Possibilities are HUGE

I'm pretty open to the potential episode ideas for the project.  For example, it's no problem if you have a story where Arnold and the gang are teenagers or grown up, or if you have a cross-over with another cartoon, such as Doug.  No biggie!  The episode could be about Arnold and the gangs as kids dreaming/fantasizing about what it would be like in an alternate world.  See?  The possibilities are -huge-. 

As to art style, I'm not too uptight about it.  The only requirement is that you can draw in a way so that the readers can tell who is Arnold, Helga, Gerald, ect.  It can be black and white, coloured, in pencil -- whatever suits you best. 

However, I will ask you (the artist) to keep a small commitment: I want to keep the art style of each episode consistent, meaning one episode (10+ pages) is drawn/coloured by the same person, so that it can be easily read.  The next episode can be drawn by a different person, but they have to draw that complete episode, ect. 

But that doesn't mean you have to work by yourself if you are an artist.  You can share the art process with somebody else.  For example, one person does the lineart while another person colours the pages for an episode.  Or, if two people draw in a similar artstyle, they can split the work, such as drawing alternate pages for an episode.  Again, I'm very open to the possible styles.  I want to keep our options open so that our "creative juices" are not heavily restricted. 

The Final Question

So, after reading all of this (and thanks for managing to read to this point), I have 2 big questions to ask you:

1) Would you be interested in seeing this project? 

And more importantly:
2) Would you be interested in being a part of this project?

We officially start this project, big or small, in late June / early July 2009.  When that happens, I'll write another post to notify you guys.  So keep an eye out for that.  And spread the word if you can.

Again, a very large thanks for managing to read this much!  You guys are the best,

- Tendra

Jennifer: Office Red Ribbonhmsharmony on April 19th, 2009 05:43 am (UTC)
I would definitely be interested in this project. I don't think I'd be much help creatively, but I'd love to take part in the editing aspect.

Edited at 2009-04-19 05:44 am (UTC)
hezzabeth on April 19th, 2009 08:54 am (UTC)
Hi I'm interested in writing! http://mary-sue-academy.deviantart.com/ this is the webcomic I've been writing for over year now. I can talk to my illustrater because she is also a huge hey arnold fan.
tendra91tendra91 on April 19th, 2009 03:20 pm (UTC)
If you do, that would be greatly appreciated! Can't make a comic without an artist...
8nnemiek on April 19th, 2009 11:25 am (UTC)
And I would be interested in helping out with drawing. Especially making the lineart and color it.
Here's some of my work: http://abcreatief.deviantart.com/art/Kissing-Scene-Comic-HA-TJM-115584235

It's a great idea! Although I sure hope it won't die slowly like most of the other fan-projects..
Genagenaminna on April 19th, 2009 01:08 pm (UTC)
I definitely like this idea!! Though, since I'm so busy, I think it might be better if I work on my own about this. I'm usually my own writer/artist/editor for my art. xD

But are we trying to keep this as canon as possible? Because I know there are a lot of conflicting opinions of the shipping that goes on in the show. Should we maybe have a group chat to discuss story ideas, or do you think it'd be okay once we get the artists/writer teams together, to work on their own? :m Just wondering, lol.
Genagenaminna on April 19th, 2009 01:11 pm (UTC)
Or, maybe we could have a pool of artists and/or a pool of writers who could just openly talk about their story ideas, and if one project interests an artists more than another, then they can draw that particular story? This is so there won't have to be a conflict in determining ships (or other contrasting ideas), and people will be more happy to draw or write what they wanna write xDD.
Gena: ilovenerdsgenaminna on April 19th, 2009 01:12 pm (UTC)
I mean, rather than being forced into a story which they don't wanna particularly draw, just because they are an 'artist' for it :mm...
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Alyssa Bo Bissa: [ha-t] i don't have all the answersleskuh on April 19th, 2009 05:46 pm (UTC)
I'd love to contribute. However, I am a bit worried about how a lot of the weight is going to fall on the artist of a group. 10 pages is a fairly large project in it's own right. I mean, it's possible, but it's also very time consuming, especially depending on the artist (it takes me hours to ink things if I wanna do it right). I'd say double up on artists for every different episode being made if it's possible.

I say start out slow. Let's see if we can do one episode and if it all works out then we'll see about breaking things down.

I'd rather not write to be honest. But I am willing to look over the scripts and help with characterization. And I'm totally willing to draw for it, but I'm just really not sure that I could take on an episode all by myself. It's a LOT and my attention span wavers. It'd be comforting to know that there was someone else teaming up with me.

I also think you'll have to take control and act as our 'Craig'. I think a project like this really needs a strong leader who's willing to set up deadlines and kind of keep track of progress and get naggy if someone is lagging. And we need someone to say: "No, this is how we're doing it. Like it or leave it." Because everyone wants to do their own thing and then NOTHING gets done.

So I say, start with a basic plotline. It can be one you've thought of or someone else's and say - 'this is our first story.' Then go from there.

And yeah, you'll definitely need a place to keep all the information and status of things together. I suggest LJ, but that's definitely a personal preference (I get LJ) the wiki would be okay, but it's format confuses the shit out of me. Everything looks messy to me.

Or maybe a forum would work. Somewhere like proboards or something.
tendra91tendra91 on April 19th, 2009 06:00 pm (UTC)
Slow is perfectly fine with me. There's no rush here (lol). If you can't find someone to pair up with artwise, I'll be willing to help. My art is somewhat mediocre, but I'll see how we'll do. I'll probably put up some more "Drawing Tips" on tendraheyarnold.wordpress.com to help other artists get more comfortable drawing Hey Arnold!

My forte is Wordpress, but if anyone can teach me LJ, I'll gladly switch. I'll probably have Wordpress as the "archive" of all that's going on, and make announcements that need to be very public on this LJ and on the Arnold's Eyes Forums, and get some other people to help spread the word. I need time to organize the site, so that's why we officially start in the summer.

Keep the questions/concerns coming, it's better to get your head around this earlier!

- Tendra
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Alyssa Bo Bissa: [fj] EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!leskuh on April 19th, 2009 05:48 pm (UTC)
Oh and I'll definitely pimp this post on my DA.
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tendra91tendra91 on April 19th, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
Awesome, both to you, m0ny, and to squirrel. I agree that 1 episode is a lot for one artist, and I encourage you to pair up if possible. And that's why I'm giving a little over 1 year to work on it. As I said before, no rush. We want happy volunteers.

In terms of drawing backgrounds, Annemiek did something very smart in her comic "Kissing Scene - TJM": She just drew one big background and then started to use little bits of it for each panel. I believe that can be a very smart way to approach using backgrounds, because it allows us to continuously reuse backgrounds without wasting time drawing them.

So, here's my deal with backgrounds. I'm probably going to have 1 or more artists (myself included) to do some pretty large backgrounds. We're probably going to have to draw them ourselves, as opposed to the ones on Nick, to avoid any, uh... legal issues. Although I'm a fan of HA!, I'm not a fan of getting myself nor anyone else sued. So I plan to have the backgrounds drawn by us. Backgrounds will be pretty large, so that we're able to get little snippets of each one for each comic panel. For me, I plan to do them by hand (traditional medium: watercolour) and scan them it an post it so other people can use it for their comics. I'll probably have to piece them together, but no biggie.

Volunteer for whatever you feel most comfortable. No rush, no stress.

- Tendra
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Destini Jen Venturi: HA! :: Arnoelga - I Can't Go Backdestineyjen on April 19th, 2009 08:15 pm (UTC)
1) Would you be interested in seeing this project?

Yes, I would love to see this project in its completion. Considering I'm working with the person and all of those who became involved who started the TJM fanmade project and it hasn't had anything going on for awhile because of new alternative ideas forming for ways to save The Jungle Movie. A sixth season sounds like a great idea... is there a reason why you insist on comic form? Not that there is anything wrong with that, I'm just curious.

2) Would you be interested in being a part of this project?

Yes, I would. I would love to write, edit, advertise, and help with the website for this project. I'll have quite a bit of time during the summer considering I'm graduating on May 9th and will be getting an online job (creating my own business my own way or working for an online tutoring business that is affiliated with the college I'm graduating from).

For the website, will you be needing domain name and web space? Or are you planning to do the same as you did for your Critical Analysis site? If you are planning on the site having its own webspace, etc. I have webspace (200 GB space), but I can't afford another domain name after all of the ones I already own. I could create a subdomain to my HA! website (http://hillwoodcity-ha.net) *shrugs*, unless someone is able to purchase a domain for this. What would you have the domain be if there were to be one anyway?

(And yes, my website is being updated even though it doesn't look like it - the updates are being made behind the scenes until they are completely finished and considering I have limited access to the Internet for the time being it's taking a little longer than expected.)
Destini Jen Venturi: HA! :: Helga - Head Meet Mattressdestineyjen on April 19th, 2009 08:37 pm (UTC)
Oh, all of these other comments weren't there when I originally wrote my comment... and then after submitting my comment they all showed up... weird.

Anyway, so, you're using WordPress - I know quite a bit about WordPress, in fact, I've been trying to switch over all of my websites to WordPress ever since last year. So, is site manager (person helping create the site) still a part of the "you can help as a" list?
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Genagenaminna on April 19th, 2009 11:19 pm (UTC)
Hey, Tendra, one more thing...

I was reading the comments on ST's DA journal, and Ragweed there made a good point, so it made me wonder...

Even if we do get a lot of people, maybe we should keep it at one project at a time, and just work on giving out more *complete* eps at once, rather than, say, having a lot of people more spread out and still in the 'incomplete' stages? Because this is going to go on separate websites, yes? And it might be better than over-working some of the artists here... I'd be more willing to work in a group if the 'work' was more spread out that way. And perhaps (like Hellerick said), the different artists could stick to more of their favored 'profession', lol... and maybe-- if we really wanted-- we could switch responsibilities every so often (like the bg artist could do the character coloring, etc.), so we don't get tired of doing the same things over and over again, if we want to explore more options, you know?

Since you said different styles are okay, I thought this option would be okay too. Well... just throwing ideas out there, lol. Just want to make it as easy as possible for everyone, so all the responsibility isn't going on just one person, ya know?
Genagenaminna on April 19th, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
Never mind, haha; well, this might work for one time, but if the artists/writers are too busy to make a second 'episode', then the responsibility would fall on them anyways since there might not be a substitute? =_=
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tendra91tendra91 on April 20th, 2009 01:47 am (UTC)
Gena: That's great news about Quietseeker. We need more writers. I'll take a peek at his fic when I get the time.

I got some concerns about copyright issues on the SquirrelTamer's announcement on Deviantart and here was my response:

"Yeah, the first step to this project was to notify Nick of this. I said this in the Arnold's Forums, but I'll say it again.

If the project has 2 or more episodes (and its own website), I'm going to notify Nick of this.

I'll be doing this in late June/early July 2009, and before I mail it, I'll post up what I wrote to get some feedback.

If they give me a ceast and desist notice (I'll be giving them a self-adressed letter for them to contact me back, if they want to, and possibly my phone number?), I guess we'll have to stop and, if they'll allow us to, post up what we had so far.

In terms of getting Craig Bartlett involved, we are heading into dangerous area. At the very least, tell him that the fans are planning to do this project (after we get the okay from Nick). It should be a gift to Bartlett at the very least.

I'll admit it when I say I don't know what to do if I get absolutely no response from Nick. Perhaps I'll send two carbon-copies of the letter just in case?

Feedback = awesome"

- Tendra
funnybones021 on April 20th, 2009 05:09 am (UTC)
Wow, first lj post...kind of overwhelming. I did decide to create an account because I'm really really interested in this project, though.

I did want to say a few things about the copyright, though. From what I understand, U.S. copyright law has more gray areas than any other branch of the law. So, if Nick (or more specifically Viacom) says don't do it, then I would suggest we stop. If you don't hear from them, though, I would assume that "no news is good news". There are loopholes in the law regarding parodies, spoofs, covers, etc. as long as we don't use any of the show's original artwork or plots I think we're ok...then again, I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure. Just make sure that you keep a copy of whatever you send, Tendra.

Craig Bartlett should definitely be notified about this, but I doubt that he would be able to make any sort of contribution. Most professional T.V. writers, producers, and actors are members of unions that forbid them to work on any amateur projects without special permission (one of my professors is a member of the Screen Actor's Guild and she says it's a real pain to get SAG permission if she wants to act in a university's production). The point is his hands will probably be tied, but he should at least know what's going on (and have a chance to voice his opinion about a project like this).
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seraphimkiss on April 20th, 2009 02:04 am (UTC)
I'd love to contribute as an artist and a writer. Ever since the fan-made Patakis project (which was BRILLIANT), I've wanted to get involved in a collaborative HA! project.
quiet_seekerquiet_seeker on April 20th, 2009 02:15 am (UTC)
Hey! I had Gena post my FF link because I was occupied earlier, sorry about that xDD

But yes, I'd love to help with this comic idea, I think it's brilliant!

One thing though, I think that when planning this the writers for example could write up their own episode first, and then bring it up when they have a meeting to discuss because then they could get feedback on what others think of their episode ideas. xD I think that way we can all be creative and stuff and then listen to what others have to say about our ideas :)

tendra91tendra91 on April 20th, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
That would be much easier when we have group meetings, fab idea. Soooo much easier. Here's my only requirement: if you have a fanfic that you think could be used as an episode idea, but isn't published yet. Don't publish it yet. Projects that come out with a big bang are really cool. ;)

- Tendra
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hellerickhellerick on April 20th, 2009 10:49 am (UTC)
I'll have to find a place where we can privately exchange art files...

Privately?! What is the point of hiding it?

Don't repeat the mistakes of the previous projects. One of the reasons why they failed was because they were too secluded, and therefore too dependent on very small group of people. Just one person who lost interest in the project could drown the whole ship.

The project should be as open as possible. All the materials should be free for everyone to see. Everyone should be able to contribute without any prior permission. You don't have to assign artists, you have to assign artist-supervisors, who would control how the work is done, and organize practical solution of the current problems (like: "We need a cat. Who can draw a cat?" -- "I can draw a cat, but it will be messy" -- "Okay, I'll redraw your cat and colorize it." -- "Here it is." -- "Yuck! Does anybody have a better cat?" -- "I have seen a cute puppy..." -- "Okay I'll redraw it into a cat"). Everyone should be able to learn about other people's problems and be able to offer their help.

The key point of project policy should be to gather as much "fan-fuel" as possible.

Tendra's site is amazing, and DestineyJen's site has great potential. But they have big disadvantage: they belong to somebody, and therefore are very depending on specific individuals, it's the "narrow neck" of any project: no contribution can be done without their participation. And that's why I propose to use a Wiki. Wiki engine was created for collaborative projects, it's everyone's place, you don't need anybody's help/permission to contribute, everyone can organize the work the way they need, you don't have to know HTML, PHP etc...

The project should be able to continue even if all we lose interest in it.
tendra91tendra91 on April 20th, 2009 01:48 pm (UTC)
I have absolutely no idea on how to use the Wiki... it confuses the crap out of me. If I'm the only one who is Wiki-retarded, and everyone out there is a pro relative to me, then we can use Wiki.

Hellerick, I completely agree with you when you say that the project should be as open as possible. That way, fan-interest can be renewed and we can get new contributors. And that's one of the reasons why I said that commitment to this project will vary, from as little as one advertisement, to something big like one episode, and perhaps even more. It's so that ANYONE can help, at ANYTIME. That's why I said the episodes must be canon, so that other groups who join in the middle of the project can start working on their episodes. I know that, and I really appreciate you pointing this out, because hell, if everyone started to only give me only compliments, I would get VERY paranoid.

HOWEVER, it shouldn't be so open to the point where EVERYONE can see the complete project before it is ready to be released. When I mean privately exchange art files, I mean a place where THE STAFF can exchange their work between one another, without spoiling the episode for the audience who are not working on the project. If everyone, including those not on the project, gets to see comic pages in the complete making, what's the point of gathering buffer pages to released? What's the point of seeing the finished product? There would be no point. They already saw it, what's the point of seeing it again? Not all of us are "hard-core" fans - some of us are regular, and mini-fans. We're doing this project for all HA! fans, big or small. If we weren't going to save the pages to be released with a "big bang", then I would just let everyone post whatever they want, wherever they want, and we can be all over the place. We want to be organized, or it will be hell.

Sorry to slam you like that. I understand that continuous fan-interest is important, and that's why I will be giving bi-weekly updates on the project's progress. (Bi-weekly so that I actually have a higher chance of having something to say that's new.) These updates will include the progress of the project, such as how far the comics are to being done, any problems they have, ect. I'll even allow throwing teasers to the crowd, cuz that's always fun. I'll throw up public want ads on the HA! Main Journal periodically, to let people know that we will always welcome new members. And I will have people help me organize this, because this is a LARGE project. Anything that the general audience can contribute, such as a general question (e.g. who was the first American president?), we can chuck it out publicly, like in the HA! Main LJ.

(BTW, I have already posted this when I first released the Critical Analysis, and it's in the "About" pages of that site too, but I'm still looking for people to contribute to the Critical Analysis, where they can "analyze" and post HA! stuff freely. The door way always opened since Jan 2009, but nobody has yet to bother to come in.)

- Tendra
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Genagenaminna on April 20th, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
See, the 'problem' I have with posting all of our W.i.p.'s (works in progress') to the public, is that it loses that 'spark' that you want once you finish the whole thing. That's like Craig telling us the WHOLEEE JM production before they even/while they are finishing it. There no 'surprise' at the end. :/ It's just like 'oh, they're done.' :/

I think we should either have a 1) Message board, where we can post all of our w.i.p.'s at and get feedback for them (at a website that only we know), or a 2) LJ community that's private to the pubic (and because we'd get notifications via e-mail if someone replied to our topic). I am absolutely against showing the public, or the people who aren't a part of the project anything about what we are doing until we show the final, published 'things.' That's like "all talk and no walk."
quiet_seekerquiet_seeker on April 20th, 2009 08:36 pm (UTC)
Yes, I agree with Gena. I mean what's the point of working so hard if everyone can see our progress piece by piece, instead of being surprised in the end?

A forum/message board is good idea, an LJ community is an even BETTER idea since we all are on LJ at the moment, and most of us know how to post stuff and reply to posts, etc....and like Gena mentioned we get a message if someone replied to a topic =D

So yes, let's vote on where we can post that way everything's private, and we can work on our ideas in peace ;)
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