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20 April 2009 @ 04:16 pm
'Hey Arnold!' Sixth Season Project Part 2 Message  
EDIT: Funnybones021 over at YouTube did an ENORMOUS favor for me and made a video advertising this project!  Check the video out (it has an epic beginning and ending >XD), and send him your appreciation and thanks!  (He's the guy who suggested this project in the first place, y'know.)  Check out the awesome video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdg2YGnpPU

Okay, so because the post I made a couple of days ago is jammed packed with comments (my head hurts from reading of them comments), I decided to make a new post, this time regarding only one aspect of the HA6S (abbreviation for "Hey Arnold 6th Season) project: where the staff is going to communicate with one another.
I've already decided that I'm going to have two sites for this project:
- One is obviously going to be a place where the HA6S staff is going to communicate with one another; where they can talk to each other freely about their ideas and work, and where they can exchange their work from one person/group to another (e.g. giving lineart to the person who is doing the colouring).  The majority of this site will probably be only accessible to the staff.  DEPENDING ON THE SITE (SERVER) THAT IS USED (E.G. WIKI, LIVEJOURNAL, FORUMS, ECT.) I WILL NEED SOMEONE SAAVY WITH THE CHOSEN SITE TO BE MY MODERATORS.
- The second is the ha6s wordpress website, which will be linked to the first site and vise versa.  The wordpress site will probably be the base site where I explain the project to newcomers, such as what the project is about, regular updates on the progress of our progress, how to register and contribute to this project, ect.  In other words, the wordpress site is a place where I can generalize the project and its progress, and generalize any significant happenings in the first site (in the form of updates).  For example, if the staff has finished the lineart of one episode, I will announce on the wordpress site that the lineart of said episode is done.  This will allow newcomers to catch up to where we are (i.e. to the current position of the HA6S project), so that they won't be completely intimidated.  I do not require people to reply nor give feedback on this site.  This can be done on the first site.  The wordpress site is mainly the "Announcement Board".  This is where I will announce the progress of the project, give any links to any announcements made outside the first site and wordpress site (such as YouTube, HA! Main Livejournal, and Arnold's Eyes Forums).  THE MODERATORS OF THE FIRST SITE WILL PROBABLY HELP ME MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND UPDATES ON THE WORDPRESS SITE.  (Don't worry, Wordpress is rather similar to Livejournal in terms of blogging.)
So, the purpose of this post and poll is to ask: "Where would be the best place for the staff to communicate?"  Is it Wiki?  Livejournal?  Blogger?  A forum?  (And if you are voting forum, recommend me a good forum server.)  Right now I'm leaning towards forum, but if there is anything better, please let me know.
Here are the following requirements I need for the place where we can communicate.
1. I need to divide the place of discussion into categories.  And here are the following (minimum) categories:
a) A place for general discussion.  This can be a public place where staff and non-staff members can talk.  This can include asking questions about the project, asking (random) questions to help you gather inspiration and ideas for an episode (e.g. what was one exciting moment in your childhood? ect.). 
b) Announcements.  The content posted here will probably be similar to the content that will be posted on the Wordpress account.  This is, perferably, only a place where my moderators and I can post new threads.  If possible, staff and non-staff members are able to post comments to these threads, but not make a thread themselves.
c) A place for registration.  This will be a place where staff and non-staff members can post threads/comments.  This is where people who wish to volunteer and contribute to the HA6S project are able to register for the project.  This is what I'm thinking should be the minimum information they need to provide: they will need to include their name, what roles in the HA6S project they are interested in (artist, writer, ect.), and 2 methods of contacting them, and anything else they want to put in about themselves (such as a site they want to pimp).  Methods of contact can include: DeviantArt Account, forum account, Youtube account, Arnold's Eyes forum profile, LJ account, online email, ect.  I will probably be posting this information up on the Wordpress website.  So keep in mind that the information you are revealing is public.  The level of private information is up to you.  You may wish to use an internet alias (recommended) and a secondary email (recommended) to protect yourself.  THIS IS ESPECIALLY TRUE IF YOU ARE UNDER 18.  Safety first.
d) A place where only the staff can post.  This is where they post up their "pilot fanfics" and other HA6S related stuff to receive feedback from the entire staff.  This should be private, in which non-staff do not have access too.
e) One place each for each episode project.  E.g. One place for the first episode, second place for the second episode, ect.  This should be a place where people who are only working on that episode should have access to (so that the other staff can be the audience too).  New people who are working on that episode should be able to join the group in the middle.  The reason for this second level of privacy is so that the members of the group working on that episode project have a place where they can privately talk to one another outside of the area described in 1.d).  Keep things clean.

Keep in mind that I'll probably have all the staff work on the first episode project, to start off slow.

2. The second criteria, which was implied in the first criteria, is to have at least 2 levels of privacy: public level, staff level, and individual project level.  Public level important to make it easy for newcomers, staff level important to keep a level of privacy, and individual project level to make it cleaner for the staff who are working on said project.

3. We should be able to post polls, write down links, post images, and be able to write large amounts of text.  Images should be relatively easy to post.  E.g. Livejournal allows you to post images directly from your computer.  Some forums allow you to do that too, but it's only some.  If we cannot post images directly from our computers, we need to find an image hosting service (e.g. Google Picasca), and be able to post the link in the post.  Same thing with writing posting the fanfics.  They will be large.  We will most likely have to post the fic all on the post, or have to find a "text hosting service" (I don't even know if that exists... fanfiction.net?) and give the link on there.

4. The server should be able to have more than 1 moderator.

I think that's about it, in terms of my requirements.  Feel free to critique the holes in my plan, and now finally (*drum roll*) here's the poll!
Poll #1387007 HA6S location

Where should be the discussion place for the HA6S staff?

A forum (recommend a forum server in the comments)
Other (specify in comment)

Genagenaminna on April 20th, 2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
Ideally, I would like a forum with LJ-like capabilities, where we get notified when someone posts a new message. The only reason I didn't want LJ for the members-only community was because it's hard to track back into past entries or 'categories' unless you use the tags. But still... forums are quicker to search for past stuff, and they can be filed into 'categories' easier.

Maybe I can find a hybrid of the two.
Genagenaminna on April 20th, 2009 11:26 pm (UTC)
I found one called Aceboard. Here's some of the 'permissions' you can set (when you post).

"Private forum: () No (Public), () By selection (Manual adding), () For registered members only (Automatic)
Invisible forum: () No (Public), () Yes
An invisible forum will only be listed for members having rights to access it"

I'll look for more :I
Susan: Arnold and Helgasuekay_87 on April 20th, 2009 11:20 pm (UTC)
A forum would best best IMO

zetaboards are fantastic, free, and also have a blogging facility...I run one and they're very easy to use :)

Susansuekay_87 on April 21st, 2009 11:29 am (UTC)
Oh, and here's my forum


I highly recommend Invisionfree/Zetaboards :)
carlinj83carlinj83 on April 20th, 2009 11:51 pm (UTC)
but why not have a ha forum where we can discuss it.
8nnemiek on April 21st, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
Yeah, a forum would be best, I agree.

I made my forum here:

It's not very hard to make these. And of course I'll be happy to help if you'd get stuck somewhere ^^

You can set permissions for every forum and category.. From allowing guests to answer to not readable for guests or even only for moderators.
You can create groups and invite people, and allow only those groups in some categories..
And of course you can post large texts, polls, links and pictures.. You can tell something about yourself in your profile, and you can tell what you are (writer, line-art, editor etc) under your avatar.. (just need to change a few lines (I added 'favorite character' in my forum)

Here's an example of these forums (this is my own, partially dutch):
tendra91tendra91 on April 21st, 2009 01:00 am (UTC)
Thanks to everyone who gave a suggestion. I taking a look at them now and seeing which one is seems promising!

- Tendra
hellerickhellerick on April 21st, 2009 04:58 am (UTC)
I am really sorry that you are not into Wiki. All the troubles you mention are already solved there long ago.

Except privacy. I dunno, maybe "private Wikis" exist somewhere, I just never thought somebody would need them.

No matter what will be result of your work, I believe the process will be more interesting and impressive, and it's a pity that you don't want to share it with the world.
Alyssa Bo Bissa: [kh] i have killed people for lessleskuh on April 21st, 2009 02:56 pm (UTC)
Hellerick, stop trying to villainize Tendra. She gave the wiki option and the simple fact is that people just don't like it. I know you're probably not exactly happy with me for kind of making the HA! wiki and then jetting and I'm sorry for it, but the wiki format just doesn't suit everyone.

You're right, people don't need private wikis. But we do need a somewhat private space. Therefore the wiki is probably not the best choice for this specific project.

And the backhanded compliments are getting old.
hellerickhellerick on April 21st, 2009 03:07 pm (UTC)
Alyssa, please don't misconceive my words. When I say "I am really sorry", it means nothing but "I am really sorry". There is no "villainizing" in it.

And I don't understand what do you mean by "backhanded compliments".
Alyssa Bo Bissa: [ha-t] i don't have all the answersleskuh on April 21st, 2009 03:37 pm (UTC)
Sorry I snapped at you, I'm not in the best mood. You just tend to be very blunt about things and sometimes it comes across as rude. I am sorry though.
hellerickhellerick on April 21st, 2009 03:44 pm (UTC)
It's my curse — whatever I say people think I'm insulting them... I have no idea where it comes from. Maybe it's my lack of communication skills or something :-(
Alyssa Bo Bissaleskuh on April 21st, 2009 04:14 pm (UTC)
I think it might just be the blunt thing? You don't mince words. And you're very opinionated, which I do think is a good thing, but doesn't always get the best response? Hmmm, IDK. I think you're a good guy though and I do value your input a lot.

Also, the wiki is AMAZING and it's really all thanks to you. :D
Alyssa Bo Bissa: [se] you may be rightleskuh on April 21st, 2009 02:52 pm (UTC)
I do really like the forum version. Privacy-wise I think that anybody who wants to read and see our progress should be allowed to do so (except maybe a small secret section where we post all the finalized stuff). I do think it'll still be a surprise, because then people who REALLY want to see how everything's going will be able to do so, but a lot of people aren't going to go looking I think.

Also, I do think we should be open to all membership. Yes, it might mess with some of the 'surprise', but I don't want it to seem like a clique sort of thing. I definitely don't think we should go as far as Hellerick's example in the last post with the one person draws something and another person does something else, because that's craaaaaaazy, but I don't want to hide it away either?
Destini Jen Venturi: HA! :: Helga - Caffeine=LOVEdestineyjen on April 22nd, 2009 01:34 am (UTC)
SMF? Simple Machines Forum is what I use and it has everything you have listed as needs.

Of course, no one has even registered on my Hillwood City forum yet. I used to use phpBB, but it was incredibly hard to keep spammers from registering and posting porn so I removed it and ended up using SMF which is awesome.

Example: The P.S. 118 Cafeteria Forum - http://hillwoodcity-ha.net/forum
quiet_seekerquiet_seeker on April 22nd, 2009 07:11 pm (UTC)
I think a forum version is a great idea, I actually had a forum a long time ago over at www.proboards.com

I had a lot of fun with it; we had a news flash box at the top of the forum so people could see the latest announcements, and links could be posted too.

Here is an example of a proboards forum I went to once long ago and was inspired by: http://asoue.proboards.com/

If anyone wants I could be a mod there, and I could make the banners since I have photoshop experience =D
Genagenaminna on April 24th, 2009 02:59 am (UTC)
Does it have to be in color, or can it be in b&w? (As long as the whole story is like that)
tendra91tendra91 on April 24th, 2009 04:33 am (UTC)
Black and white is okay with me (as long as the whole story is like that). Whatever you're most comfortable with. If you want to use black and white to add an effect to your story (such as a flashback), that's okay with me too.
Genagenaminna on April 24th, 2009 04:34 am (UTC)
kewl, thanks :3